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07 February 2014 @ 02:19 pm
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The following from articles in Wikipedia and the CDC.
alobar, based upon my symptoms whenever I am in your house for longer than an hour, I estimate the CO levels in your house hover between 400-800 ppm.
Cut for length.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_monoxide_poisoning

Carbon monoxide poisoning

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Carbon monoxide poisoning
Classification and external resources
Spacefilling model of a carbon monoxide molecule

Carbon monoxide poisoning occurs after enough inhalation of carbon monoxide (CO). Carbon monoxide is a toxic gas, but, being colorless, odorless, tasteless, and initially non-irritating, it is very difficult for people to detect. Carbon monoxide is a product of incomplete combustion of organic matter due to insufficient oxygen supply to enable complete oxidation to carbon dioxide (CO2)...

...Symptoms of mild acute poisoning include lightheadedness, confusion, headaches, vertigo, and flu-like effects; larger exposures can lead to significant toxicity of the central nervous system and heart, and even death. Following acute poisoning, long-term sequelae often occur. Carbon monoxide can also have severe effects on the fetus of a pregnant woman. Chronic exposure to low levels of carbon monoxide can lead to depression, confusion, and memory loss...

Signs and symptoms

Carbon monoxide is toxic to all aerobic forms of life. It is easily absorbed through the lungs.[5] Inhaling even relatively small amounts of the gas can lead to hypoxic injury, neurological damage, and even death. Different people and populations may have a different carbon monoxide tolerance levels.[6] On average, exposures at 100 ppm or greater is dangerous to human health.[1] In the United States, the OSHA limits long-term workplace exposure levels to less than 50 ppm averaged over an 8-hour period;[7][8] in addition, employees are to be removed from any confined space if an upper limit ("ceiling") of 100 ppm is reached.[9] Carbon monoxide exposure may lead to a significantly shorter life span due to heart damage.[10] The carbon monoxide tolerance level for any person is altered by several factors, including activity level, rate of ventilation, a pre-existing cerebral or cardiovascular disease, cardiac output, anemia, sickle cell disease and other hematological disorders, barometric pressure, and metabolic rate.[11][12][13]

The acute effects produced by carbon monoxide in relation to ambient concentration in parts per million are listed below:[14][15]


35 ppm (0.0035%) Headache and dizziness within six to eight hours of constant exposure
100 ppm (0.01%) Slight headache in two to three hours
200 ppm (0.02%) Slight headache within two to three hours; loss of judgment
400 ppm (0.04%) Frontal headache within one to two hours
800 ppm (0.08%) Dizziness, nausea, and convulsions within 45 min; insensible within 2 hours
1,600 ppm (0.16%) Headache, tachycardia, dizziness, and nausea within 20 min; death in less than 2 hours
3,200 ppm (0.32%) Headache, dizziness and nausea in five to ten minutes. Death within 30 minutes.
6,400 ppm (0.64%) Headache and dizziness in one to two minutes. Convulsions, respiratory arrest, and death in less than 20 minutes.
12,800 ppm (1.28%) Unconsciousness after 2–3 breaths. Death in less than three minutes.

Acute poisoning

The main manifestations of carbon monoxide poisoning develop in the organ systems most dependent on oxygen use, the central nervous system and the heart.[7] The initial symptoms of acute carbon monoxide poisoning include headache, nausea, malaise, and fatigue.[16] These symptoms are often mistaken for a virus such as influenza or other illnesses such as food poisoning or gastroenteritis.[17] Headache is the most common symptom of acute carbon monoxide poisoning; it is often described as dull, frontal, and continuous.[18] Increasing exposure produces cardiac abnormalities including fast heart rate, low blood pressure, and cardiac arrhythmia;[19][20] central nervous system symptoms include delirium, hallucinations, dizziness, unsteady gait, confusion, seizures, central nervous system depression, unconsciousness, respiratory arrest, and death.[21][22] Less common symptoms of acute carbon monoxide poisoning include myocardial ischemia, atrial fibrillation, pneumonia, pulmonary edema, high blood sugar, lactic acidosis, muscle necrosis, acute kidney failure, skin lesions, and visual and auditory problems.[19][23][24][25]

One of the major concerns following acute carbon monoxide poisoning is the severe delayed neurological manifestations that may occur. Problems may include difficulty with higher intellectual functions, short-term memory loss, dementia, amnesia, psychosis, irritability, a strange gait, speech disturbances, Parkinson's disease-like syndromes, cortical blindness, and a depressed mood.[17][26] Depression may even occur in those who did not have pre-existing depression.[27] These delayed neurological sequelae may occur in up to 50% of poisoned people after 2 to 40 days.[17] It is difficult to predict who will develop delayed sequelae; however, advanced age, loss of consciousness while poisoned, and initial neurological abnormalities may increase the chance of developing delayed symptoms.[28]

Chronic poisoning

Chronic exposure to relatively low levels of carbon monoxide may cause persistent headaches, lightheadedness, depression, confusion, memory loss, nausea and vomiting.[32] It is unknown whether low-level chronic exposure may cause permanent neurological damage.[17] Typically, upon removal from exposure to carbon monoxide, symptoms usually resolve themselves, unless there has been an episode of severe acute poisoning.[32] However, one case noted permanent memory loss and learning problems after a 3-year exposure to relatively low levels of carbon monoxide from a faulty furnace.[33] Chronic exposure may worsen cardiovascular symptoms in some people.[32] Chronic carbon monoxide exposure might increase the risk of developing atherosclerosis.[34][35] Long-term exposures to carbon monoxide present the greatest risk to persons with coronary heart disease and in females who are pregnant.[36]

Central nervous system effects

The mechanism that is thought to have a significant influence on delayed effects involves formed blood cells and chemical mediators, which cause brain lipid peroxidation (degradation of unsaturated fatty acids). Carbon monoxide causes endothelial cell and platelet release of nitric oxide, and the formation of oxygen free radicals including peroxynitrite.[16] In the brain this causes further mitochondrial dysfunction, capillary leakage, leukocyte sequestration, and apoptosis.[63] The result of these effects is lipid peroxidation, which causes delayed reversible demyelinization of white matter in the central nervous system known as Grinker myelinopathy, which can lead to edema and necrosis within the brain.[57] This brain damage occurs mainly during the recovery period. This may result in cognitive defects, especially affecting memory and learning, and movement disorders. These disorders are typically related to damage to the cerebral white matter and basal ganglia.[63][64] Hallmark pathological changes following poisoning are bilateral necrosis of the white matter, globus pallidus, cerebellum, hippocampus and the cerebral cortex.[1][17][65]

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/co/faqs.htm

Frequently Asked Questions

What is carbon monoxide?

Carbon monoxide, or CO, is an odorless, colorless gas that can cause sudden illness and death.

Where is CO found?

CO is found in combustion fumes, such as those produced by cars and trucks, small gasoline engines, stoves, lanterns, burning charcoal and wood, and gas ranges and heating systems. CO from these sources can build up in enclosed or semi-enclosed spaces. People and animals in these spaces can be poisoned by breathing it.

What are the symptoms of CO poisoning?

The most common symptoms of CO poisoning are headache, dizziness, weakness, nausea, vomiting, chest pain, and confusion. High levels of CO inhalation can cause loss of consciousness and death. Unless suspected, CO poisoning can be difficult to diagnose because the symptoms mimic other illnesses. People who are sleeping or intoxicated can die from CO poisoning before ever experiencing symptoms.

How does CO poisoning work?

Red blood cells pick up CO quicker than they pick up oxygen. If there is a lot of CO in the air, the body may replace oxygen in blood with CO. This blocks oxygen from getting into the body, which can damage tissues and result in death. CO can also combine with proteins in tissues, destroying the tissues and causing injury and death.

How CO enters red blood cell

Who is at risk from CO poisoning?

All people and animals are at risk for CO poisoning. Certain groups — unborn babies, infants, and people with chronic heart disease, anemia, or respiratory problems — are more susceptible to its effects. Each year, more than 400 Americans die from unintentional CO poisoning, more than 20,000 visit the emergency room and more than 4,000 are hospitalized due to CO poisoning. Fatality is highest among Americans 65 and older.

How can I prevent CO poisoning from my home appliances?

  • Have your heating system, water heater and any other gas, oil, or coal burning appliances serviced by a qualified technician every year.

  • Do not use portable flameless chemical heaters (catalytic) indoors. Although these heaters don't have a flame, they burn gas and can cause CO to build up inside your home, cabin, or camper.

  • If you smell an odor from your gas refrigerator's cooling unit have an expert service it. An odor from the cooling unit of your gas refrigerator can mean you have a defect in the cooling unit. It could also be giving off CO.

  • When purchasing gas equipment, buy only equipment carrying the seal of a national testing agency, such as the CSA GroupExternal Web Site Icon.

  • Install a battery-operated or battery back-up CO detector in your home and check or replace the battery when you change the time on your clocks each spring and fall.

How do I vent my gas appliances properly?

  • All gas appliances must be vented so that CO will not build up in your home, cabin, or camper.

  • Never burn anything in a stove or fireplace that isn't vented.

  • Have your chimney checked or cleaned every year. Chimneys can be blocked by debris. This can cause CO to build up inside your home or cabin.

  • Never patch a vent pipe with tape, gum, or something else. This kind of patch can make CO build up in your home, cabin, or camper.

  • Horizontal vent pipes to fuel appliances should not be perfectly level. Indoor vent pipes should go up slightly as they go toward outdoors. This helps prevent CO or other gases from leaking if the joints or pipes aren't fitted tightly.

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How can I heat my house safely or cook when the power is out?

  • Never use a gas range or oven for heating. Using a gas range or oven for heating can cause a build up of CO inside your home, cabin, or camper.

  • Never use a charcoal grill or a barbecue grill indoors. Using a grill indoors will cause a build up of CO inside your home, cabin, or camper unless you use it inside a vented fireplace.

  • Never burn charcoal indoors. Burning charcoal — red, gray, black, or white — gives off CO.

  • Never use a portable gas camp stove indoors. Using a gas camp stove indoors can cause CO to build up inside your home, cabin, or camper.

  • Never use a generator inside your home, basement, or garage or near a window, door, or vent.

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ladytwnksfallconsmate on February 7th, 2014 10:25 pm (UTC)
dear gods, if this is accurate, alobar, please get your house checked!

it may be that the fire department will check your house for free, the same thing with the gas company if you have natural gas heat/water heater.

if you have an all-electric home, i would wonder where the carbon dioxide leak would come from....

kell, sugar, thank you for being a good concerned friend. *hugs and hugs*
The Windward Witchkellcrow7 on February 8th, 2014 03:09 am (UTC)
He keeps all the burners on his gas stove lit, 24/7. He's been doing this for a long time, even when he sleeps or leaves the house.
He has nearly all of the symptoms listed in those articles , but attributes them to his lack of supplements.
We just had a big debate about it, and why I don't want to go to his house because I get sick every time.
Sheilagh: Stripey Looksheilagh on February 8th, 2014 08:12 am (UTC)
for cooking, or for heating his place? ugh! with blankets to retain the warmth after turning the device off, he could warm up a bed with an electric bed warmer (I suspect he'd want the power off while he's in bed / touching the bed warmer).

I may be able to dig one up from the family supplies .. but would he use it?
Alobar Greywalker: August 2004alobar on February 8th, 2014 10:30 am (UTC)
No electric blankets for me! I had a friend get Leukemia from her electric blanket.

Last night I scrutinized my stove. One burner had lots of yellow. I turned it off. Another burner had some yellow, but when I turned it from full down to lo, the yellow went away.

Much better now.

Kelleigh will be loaning me space heaters which will allow me to turn the stove off.
The Windward Witch: Yours Trulykellcrow7 on February 8th, 2014 09:43 pm (UTC)
I don't understand the significance of yellow-ness. Yellow stains on a stovetop make me think of tarnished enamel, either because of foo stains, rust, or just being burnt from constant use. Carbon Monoxide has no color, nor do I believe, does its buildup.
If you want me there Tues evening, you need to start airing the place out.
Alobar Greywalkeralobar on February 8th, 2014 10:08 pm (UTC)
Not yellow on the stove. Yellow flames when the burners are on. Yellow = inomplete combustion = CO
The Windward Witchkellcrow7 on February 8th, 2014 10:03 pm (UTC)
Also, at risk of you telling me the NIC are liars, and I am 'crazy' if I believe them; http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/magnetic-fields
Alobar Greywalker: Oh Reallyalobar on February 8th, 2014 10:19 pm (UTC)
Government also sez Gulf Seafoods and GMO foods are safe. All I know for sure is I was there when my best friend Sharon croaked. Hard to forget that.

Lots of info and pseudo-info out there. We all decide which info is hogwash or delusion. I sure do not want any electric blankets.
Sheilagh: Pedal to the Metalsheilagh on February 10th, 2014 12:35 am (UTC)
I said electric blanket very SPECIFICALLY as a bed warmer, TURNED OFF when you're on it.

not for use while sleeping, no. but you are not in bed 24/7 and for the 12 hours you're NOT in bed, it could be a useful, non-carbon-monoxide way to have heat and comfort.
Alobar Greywalker: August 2004alobar on February 10th, 2014 02:44 am (UTC)
That would work. But the heaters Kell wil be loaning me should do the tric. Thank for the offer.

I just scared of traditional use of electric blankets.
Rick Day: angry dannyrick_day on February 10th, 2014 03:54 am (UTC)
The government also gives you Social Security, free medical if your life depended on it, and Food assistance.

Come on man, she is trying to help you. Are you so smart that you can only have the answers and the rest of us are just fools trying to give you cancer?

You had a friend that got leukemia. She had an electric blanket. So have I. I got no cancer. Someone tries to give you advice on not poisoning yourself with CO2 and you accuse her of wishing cancer on you?

Do you comprehend when you are being a dick to people who care for you?

Without Kelleigh you got NO ONE.

Two thousand dollars Alobar. It's all yours, cash money. All you have to do to get that money is get a letter from the doctor; an MD of YOUR CHOICE that your supplements and lifestyle are keeping you alive, healthy and mentally sharp.

Shake your fist at the government all you want but do NOT do it to Kelleigh. She does not deserve that bullshit.

I expect you to apologize to her and start listening before I come steal her away from there and set her up in business.

Where is your positive attitude? Once the gas wears off, I hope it returns.

Stay warm.
Alobar Greywalker: August 2004alobar on February 10th, 2014 04:41 am (UTC)
I have been apologizing to Kel as best I can. Both here here in LJ and in private e-mail. I doing what I can Rick.

I read about the leukemia dangers back in the 1980. No internet back then so hard to verify. Living under high voltage power lines were also believed to be a danger.
The Windward Witch: Who Datkellcrow7 on February 10th, 2014 02:54 pm (UTC)
Pshhyeah. Like I would ever move to that sordid pit of black & red pigeons.

I love you, Rick. You are so my hero.
I'd help take care of you any day.

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Edited at 2014-02-10 02:59 pm (UTC)